Why I can’t stand most of those who were directly initiated by Srila Prabhupada tagged:

Why I can’t stand most of those who were directly initiated by Srila Prabhupada

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Enver – Ireland: (in response to Krsnasdog das prabhu) – or whatever his name is…

“I have nothing against you personally, but since 99.9% of your godbrothers and sisters have kept things hidden from us non Prabhupada initiates about how corrupt things are nowadays compared to the old days, specifically the ones still in the movement, imho, then I don’t consider someone being a Prabhupada disciple or older than I am as such a worthy consideration all the time. I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but look at things from my point of view. Recently I heard one Prabhupada disciple speaking about how fortunate he was to have had Prabhupada as his guru, blah blah blah, etc etc etc. How did he think that made me feel? He didn’t care. He had his guru and could have cared less for me and my situation. The Prabhupada disciples are puffed up to the max. I hate them all. That is my humble opinion.”

Krsnas dog das prabhu, this totally resonates with me. I have been almost everywhere on this planet and all around ISKCON and I have never ever seen more puffed up bunch of people than so-called disciples of Srila Prabhupada. I say so-called because from what I have seen so far, most of them don’t practice the discipline prescribed by Srila Prabhupada. Why should we then honour them as disciples of His Divine Grace? Almost all of them (with the exception of few) ooze of desire to overlord and exploit those who are not direct initiates of Srila Prabhupada. Even the least of them, positionally speaking, will look at one who has not met or been initiated by Srila Prabhupada like we are idiots for not being born few years or even few days earlier. It is very hard to benefit from that kind of association.

Those former hippies and druggies (most of them anyway) think that they figured it all out and that by the virtue of meeting Srila Prabupada for 60 seconds or so they have attained the highest realisation there is. They are so condescending that it is unbelievable. Instead teaching us all some humility they walk around like imperious peacocks while behind the closed door they are just as troubled by material desires and just as needy of mercy as we all are.

Frankly, I have yet to meet a person initiated by Srila Prabhupada whom I can trust 100% to offer me some guidance without exploiting, condescending or overloading me unnecessarily. They all behave like they will live forever (as materialists are ought to) and desperately clutch on to their positions which seem to provide them with such an enormous ego rush, ego boost or whatever you want to call it. They don’t seem to be able to live without it even for a second.

Being pretty poor and impotent leaders themselves they usually repel most of those who wish to learn from them how to take responsibility and learn how to serve or help engage others in Krsna’s service. In their fear that they will lose their positions of illusory prestige they usually carry (or appear to carry) way more burden then it is humanely possible and to their own detriment and detriment of others. Appearing grandiose to others seems to be their only goal, not expertly engaging others, as leadership role is often defined.

That is why they always surround themselves with pathetic yes men who they know will not threaten them in any way or God forbid overshadow their MASTER. Nicollo Machiavelli was right, there is no survival in utterly materialistic world of so called ISKCON without becoming an equivalent to pitiful groveling company man whose only concern is to feign humility and loyalty to often cruel, ignorant and narcissistic master.

Even when they are caught in most heinous and degrading acts, even if they are crippled and deformed, even if everything they touched for decades turned into stool, still they continue to hold onto their positions of “power” while appearing ridiculous to everyone except to those who persistently insist on being cheated.

ISKCON has become a pit of snakes who are all just fighting for power, prestige, sex, money and followers. Everybody with little sense can see it. Power struggle, in the society of those who should not care for power is never ending. Total maya.

So what do we have to choose form if we want to associate with honest devotees? We can choose to leave the shelter of Srila Prabhupada and join some other camp, we can accept deviant and insolent GBC to lead us to hell with them or we can accept Madhu Pandit dasa as a great charitable king? Neither is conducive for spiritual or mental health, in my experience.

Unless ISKCON becomes the society of equals, as was intended to be, the society of brothers and sisters who honour their elders for their wisdom and loyalty to Srila Prabhupada and dedication to Krsna’s service and refuse to listen to those in maya who are obviously only wanting to lord it over others for personal gain and prestige, ISKCON will remain a stone boat full of fake gurus and leaders and their ignorant followers. Not a promising place to be.

I was told that there are more and more devotees who choose to remain in unhealthy atmosphere of ISKCON just to honour Srila Prabhupada’s wishes while refusing to take initiation from unqualified rubberstamped gurus. Most of them consider themselves disciples of Srila Prabhupada. They refuse to offer food to those black greedy snakes, they refuse to read their rubbish propaganda books, they endure what needs to be endured while remaining loyal to Srila Prabhupada.To those honest, brave and intelligent devotees I bow down.

For almost a decade now I have tried to engage in service and communication with various devotees around the world but the situation is very desperate. Those few honest devotees that I know are hindered by the lack of proper association, just as I am. Most of them are divided in different camps and all I get form talking and associating with them is utter sense of hopelessness.

It may seem harsh, but I feel that unless all of the people directly initiated by Srila Prabhuapda are gone from this planet this movement will not move an inch in prescribed direction. Children will continue to get raped, women will continue to be exploited, and unprotected and naive men will continue to be mislead.”ACBSP’s” -as they like to brand themselves and their minions will continue to fight and backstab each other for money, power, women and let’s not forget …our children.

Once when they are gone, no offence to true disciples of Srila Prabhupada, it will be easy to weed out the “second generation” little snakes like Pragosa das and such. At least we will not be confronted with “Don’t you know who I am, I am a disciple of Srila Prabhupada” or ” You can’t understand Prabhupada or his books without me explaining them to you for a hefty fee which happens to be your soul signed over to me” and other such puffed up and ignorant attitudes. According to them, Srila Prabhupada’s books are so useless that practically every page needs to be corrected and reinterpreted so that it suits their selfish political agenda.

It is clear that most of them don’t have any real faith in Srila Prabhuada if they can’t even believe that their Spiritual Master is potent enough that he can still guide us all thru his books and otherwise. According to most of them, his books are useless. That’s why they keep changing them and pushing their own rubbish books. They think they know better, these mice. Kill guru and became guru, that’s all they seem to know.

I can totally understand why you hate them prabhu. I too can’t help myself from feeling that way too. It just comes from deep within. It’s raw and visceral. Why would I lie about it?

P.S. Some uncompassionate “brahmanas” on Sampradaya Sun may consider our expressions here on Prabhupada Vision lacking in sophistication and learning. According to them, we should all be at least on madhyama platform, prolific writers or perhaps have ACBSP attached to our names. We should at least belong to brahmana caste and be very learned in order to be allowed to express our discontent about what has become of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON. I am proud to say that the Lord whom I worship gave a chance even to a lowly dog to express his pain and dissatisfaction about mistreatment he experienced at the hands who should have known better. He didn’t ask him to learn Sanskrit, be less crude or wait for another birth to approach Him etc. Hare Krsna!