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Kamsahantha D\u0101sa (ACBSP) \u2013 UK: <\/strong><\/span> Way back in the early nineties I was invited to a program at Pavana’s house in New Vrndavana. The talk was to be given by one of Hansadhuta’s so called sanny\u0101s\u012b\u2019s.<\/p>\n When I entered the packed temple room I quickly picked up on his demeanor, he was not happy that I was there.<\/p>\n He made that obvious to everyone present thru his facial expressions.<\/p>\n Glaring directly at me he said. “I will be giving class from the Bhagavad Gita only, and will not be taking questions on the Guru issue. Is that clear?” “Yes” I said.<\/p>\n The class went on for some time. It was not very memorable; in fact it was quite boring. The class ended and he asked for questions.<\/p>\n “Maharaja you stated that we have to be very thoughtful and careful about what we desire, does that include the desire to have disciples?\u201d<\/p>\n He was flustered and his face was bright red. “Please Maharaja I have one very simple question to ask of you………..<\/p>\n What is your understanding of the July 9th letter”?<\/p>\n He blurted out. “IT’S OBVIOUS PRABHUPADA ONLY MEANT THIS INSTRUCTION TO BE FOLLOWED UNTIL HIS DEPARTURE!!!”<\/strong> (By this time he was very disturbed). “Where does it say that in the letter?”<\/p>\n I responded. “Rather it clearly states the opposite, henceforward (From now on). <\/strong>Maharaja let\u2019s forget that for a moment and visit the May 28th conversation<\/strong>. Satsvarupa asked \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da \u201cAbout initiations first and second PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.”<\/strong><\/p>\n “What time frame is Satsvarupa referring to here? I repeated this question again. Maharaja what is so difficult about this question?<\/p>\n He just sat there speechless blazing and bewildered. I again repeated my question.<\/p>\n In what tense was Satsvarupa referring to, past, present or future when asking Prabhup\u0101da about initiations?<\/p>\n He would not \/ could not answer<\/strong> (I am sure that most devotees present new the right answer.)<\/p>\n I again I repeated.“PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US<\/strong>, the question is obviously referring to initiations after Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s departure right Maharaja? Isn\u2019t that correct? Do you agree Maharaja?? <\/strong>(You can just imagine how intense it was having to confront this rascal).<\/p>\n “YES” he admitted in a rare moment of sanity.<\/p>\n “MAHARAJA YOU HAVE JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. YOU HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THE JULY 9TH MANDATE WAS ONLY UNTIL PRABHUPADA’S DEPARTURE”.<\/strong><\/p>\n At this point he had totally lost it. In a state of anger and frustration he left. He had learned nothing from this defeat by His divine graces documented instructions. Indicating his total lack of integrity.<\/p>\n \u201cSimple for the simple difficult for the crooked\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n PERSONS COMPLETELY LACKING IN INTEGRITY STICK TO THE SAME PERVERSE MENTALITY. THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA ONLY MEANT THIS INSTRUCTION TO LAST UNTIL HIS DEPARTURE.<\/strong><\/p>\n TRIPURARI FOR ONE.<\/strong><\/p>\n NO INTEGRITY = NO SANYASA NO LEADERS<\/strong><\/p>\n REAL REFORM EVALUATION,<\/p>\n VAIDHI BHAKTI APPLICATION,<\/p>\n OBEDIENCE= REVELATION, <\/strong><\/p>\n WITHOUT IT ONLY SPECULATION.<\/p>\n Are there any loyal and obedient sanny\u0101s\u012b\u2019s and leaders out there in or outside ISKCON today?<\/strong><\/p>\n Begging to be an instrument in the hands of Sri-Guru and Sri Gauranga<\/p>\n Your loyal servant It is odd that such a so called God ordained empowered system you imagine has been so marginalized and dismissed by every other Gaudiya sect, including Iskcon itself. Where is its power? If Prabhupada is so present in it, why do we not see it reigning in Iskcon? Surely darkness is not more powerful than light after 40 years. Indeed it is said to be an empowered plan carefully crafted by SP over years. All of that only to have it declared a heresy by his GBC?<\/p>\n . . .and they are still fighting in the courts 40 years later. Sounds familiar.<\/p>\n \u2026 that is pretty offensive maharaja.. This ordained Initiating system in which \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da set up to go on henceforward after his departure has been marginalized and dismissed premeditated and by design by those who seek to usurp \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da, change his books in which Prabhuapda said himself he did not write but rather Krsna wrote. We do not see this system reigning in ISKCON after 40 years, Maharaja, because of the infiltration of so many kali chelas who would minimize Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s legacy and potency . Instead of propagating and spreading Krsna Consciousness around the world these infiltrators in the dress of vaisnavas are rather reversing Srila Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s success, temples are closing, people in general have lost interest in ISKCON the general people have no idea who devotees are anymore, as when Prabhupada was present everyone knew of the devotees in the streets dancing and chanting and passing out Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s books. This is not going on anymore to any degree of success because these Infiltrators are systematically minimizing the potency, by DESIGN and enjoying the fruits of the guru business, fame, adoration, comfortable lifestyle etc.<\/p>\n There are very dark forces in this material world who do not want to give up their reign of control in this age of Kali those forces paid very close attention to this little Indian man who came over from India by boat to America in 1965 to give the world the Greatest Treasure it has ever known, Awakening, true enlightenment so of course these forces had to infiltrate the movement, poison the leader, and as we now see change his books, promote child molesters and debauchees as the new leaders of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s once potent, pure, unadulterated movement. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. .you are becoming more and more exposed enjoy the descent. The veil is lifting.<\/p>\n All glories to Srila Prabhupada, our only shelter in this age of debauchees and infiltrators posing as saints.<\/p>\n Janardan Das<\/p><\/blockquote>\n (cited Kamsahanta’s analogy of the thieves ha ha.. very true though..)<\/p>\n http:\/\/harmonist.us\/2012\/02\/embracing-unity-in-diversity\/#comment-11809<\/p>\n [\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Kamsahantha D\u0101sa (ACBSP) \u2013 UK: Way back in the early nineties I was invited to a program at Pavana’s house in New Vrndavana. The talk was to be given by one of Hansadhuta’s so called sanny\u0101s\u012b\u2019s. When I entered the packed temple room I quickly picked up on his demeanor, he was not happy that I was […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":7221,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"on","_et_pb_old_content":" Kamsahantha D\u0101sa (ACBSP) \u2013 UK: <\/strong><\/span> Way back in the early nineties I was invited to a program at Pavana's house in New Vrndavana. The talk was to be given by one of Hansadhuta's so called sanny\u0101s\u012b\u2019s.<\/p> When I entered the packed temple room I quickly picked up on his demeanor, he was not happy that I was there.<\/p> He made that obvious to everyone present thru his facial expressions.<\/p> Glaring directly at me he said. \"I will be giving class from the Bhagavad Gita only, and will not be taking questions on the Guru issue. Is that clear?\" \"Yes\" I said.<\/p> The class went on for some time. It was not very memorable; in fact it was quite boring. The class ended and he asked for questions.<\/p> \"Maharaja you stated that we have to be very thoughtful and careful about what we desire, does that include the desire to have disciples?\u201d<\/p> He was flustered and his face was bright red. \"Please Maharaja I have one very simple question to ask of you...........<\/p> What is your understanding of the July 9th letter\"?<\/p> He blurted out. \"IT'S OBVIOUS PRABHUPADA ONLY MEANT THIS INSTRUCTION TO BE FOLLOWED UNTIL HIS DEPARTURE!!!\"<\/strong> (By this time he was very disturbed). \"Where does it say that in the letter?\"<\/p> I responded. \"Rather it clearly states the opposite, henceforward (From now on). <\/strong>Maharaja let\u2019s forget that for a moment and visit the May 28th conversation<\/strong>. Satsvarupa asked \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da \u201cAbout initiations first and second PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.\"<\/strong><\/p> \"What time frame is Satsvarupa referring to here? I repeated this question again. Maharaja what is so difficult about this question?<\/p> He just sat there speechless blazing and bewildered. I again repeated my question.<\/p> In what tense was Satsvarupa referring to, past, present or future when asking Prabhup\u0101da about initiations?<\/p> He would not \/ could not answer<\/strong> (I am sure that most devotees present new the right answer.)<\/p> I again I repeated.\"PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US<\/strong>, the question is obviously referring to initiations after Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s departure right Maharaja? Isn\u2019t that correct? Do you agree Maharaja?? <\/strong>(You can just imagine how intense it was having to confront this rascal).<\/p> \"YES\" he admitted in a rare moment of sanity.<\/p> \"MAHARAJA YOU HAVE JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. YOU HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THE JULY 9TH MANDATE WAS ONLY UNTIL PRABHUPADA'S DEPARTURE\".<\/strong><\/p> At this point he had totally lost it. In a state of anger and frustration he left. He had learned nothing from this defeat by His divine graces documented instructions. Indicating his total lack of integrity.<\/p> \u201cSimple for the simple difficult for the crooked\u201d<\/strong><\/p> PERSONS COMPLETELY LACKING IN INTEGRITY STICK TO THE SAME PERVERSE MENTALITY. THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA ONLY MEANT THIS INSTRUCTION TO LAST UNTIL HIS DEPARTURE.<\/strong><\/p> TRIPURARI FOR ONE.<\/strong><\/p> NO INTEGRITY = NO SANYASA NO LEADERS<\/strong><\/p> REAL REFORM EVALUATION,<\/p> VAIDHI BHAKTI APPLICATION,<\/p> OBEDIENCE= REVELATION, <\/strong><\/p> WITHOUT IT ONLY SPECULATION.<\/p> Are there any loyal and obedient sanny\u0101s\u012b\u2019s and leaders out there in or outside ISKCON today?<\/strong><\/p> Begging to be an instrument in the hands of Sri-Guru and Sri Gauranga<\/p> Your loyal servant It is odd that such a so called God ordained empowered system you imagine has been so marginalized and dismissed by every other Gaudiya sect, including Iskcon itself. Where is its power? If Prabhupada is so present in it, why do we not see it reigning in Iskcon? Surely darkness is not more powerful than light after 40 years. Indeed it is said to be an empowered plan carefully crafted by SP over years. All of that only to have it declared a heresy by his GBC?<\/p> . . .and they are still fighting in the courts 40 years later. Sounds familiar.<\/p> \u2026 that is pretty offensive maharaja.. This ordained Initiating system in which \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da set up to go on henceforward after his departure has been marginalized and dismissed premeditated and by design by those who seek to usurp \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da, change his books in which Prabhuapda said himself he did not write but rather Krsna wrote. We do not see this system reigning in ISKCON after 40 years, Maharaja, because of the infiltration of so many kali chelas who would minimize Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s legacy and potency . Instead of propagating and spreading Krsna Consciousness around the world these infiltrators in the dress of vaisnavas are rather reversing Srila Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s success, temples are closing, people in general have lost interest in ISKCON the general people have no idea who devotees are anymore, as when Prabhupada was present everyone knew of the devotees in the streets dancing and chanting and passing out Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s books. This is not going on anymore to any degree of success because these Infiltrators are systematically minimizing the potency, by DESIGN and enjoying the fruits of the guru business, fame, adoration, comfortable lifestyle etc.<\/p> There are very dark forces in this material world who do not want to give up their reign of control in this age of Kali those forces paid very close attention to this little Indian man who came over from India by boat to America in 1965 to give the world the Greatest Treasure it has ever known, Awakening, true enlightenment so of course these forces had to infiltrate the movement, poison the leader, and as we now see change his books, promote child molesters and debauchees as the new leaders of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s once potent, pure, unadulterated movement. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. .you are becoming more and more exposed enjoy the descent. The veil is lifting.<\/p> All glories to Srila Prabhupada, our only shelter in this age of debauchees and infiltrators posing as saints.<\/p> Janardan Das<\/p><\/blockquote> (cited Kamsahanta's analogy of the thieves ha ha.. very true though..)<\/p> http:\/\/harmonist.us\/2012\/02\/embracing-unity-in-diversity\/#comment-11809<\/p>","_et_gb_content_width":"","ngg_post_thumbnail":0},"categories":[9],"tags":[65],"yoast_head":"\n
\nKamsahanta D\u0101sa<\/p>\n
\nYou see there are many different types of thieves. You have very low class, less intelligent thieves who rob convenient stores more advanced thieves that rob banks and trains and finally the most advanced thieves that rob wall-street and corporations of billions of dollars. Well what type of thieves do you think have come seeking to rob this Greatest Treasure the World has ever seen? Naturally very intelligent and cunning thieves like yourself Maharaja. Kudos.<\/p>\n
Kamsahanta D\u0101sa<\/p>
You see there are many different types of thieves. You have very low class, less intelligent thieves who rob convenient stores more advanced thieves that rob banks and trains and finally the most advanced thieves that rob wall-street and corporations of billions of dollars. Well what type of thieves do you think have come seeking to rob this Greatest Treasure the World has ever seen? Naturally very intelligent and cunning thieves like yourself Maharaja. Kudos.<\/p>